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Framework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB) vs NVIDIA DGX Spark
Product A: Framework
Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
74 of 160 known
MINISFORUM MS-S1 MAX (395, 128GB)
HP Z2 Mini G1a Workstation
MINISFORUM MS-A2 (Ryzen 9 9955HX, 64GB)
MINISFORUM MS-02 Ultra
Apple Mac Pro (M2 Ultra, 2023)
MINISFORUM MS-01 (Core i9-13900H)
Dell Slim Desktop ECS1250
Valve Steam Machine (2026)
Beelink GTR9 Pro (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M3 Ultra, 2025)
GMKtec EVO-X2 (395, 128GB)
Dell Alienware Area-51 AAT2265
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Compare the NVIDIA DGX Spark with
MINISFORUM MS-S1 MAX (395, 128GB)
HP Z2 Mini G1a Workstation
MINISFORUM MS-A2 (Ryzen 9 9955HX, 64GB)
MINISFORUM MS-02 Ultra
Apple Mac Pro (M2 Ultra, 2023)
MINISFORUM MS-01 (Core i9-13900H)
Dell Slim Desktop ECS1250
Valve Steam Machine (2026)
Beelink GTR9 Pro (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M3 Ultra, 2025)
GMKtec EVO-X2 (395, 128GB)
Dell Alienware Area-51 AAT2265Product B: NVIDIA
58 of 160 known
MINISFORUM MS-S1 MAX (395, 128GB)
HP Z2 Mini G1a Workstation
MINISFORUM MS-A2 (Ryzen 9 9955HX, 64GB)
MINISFORUM MS-02 Ultra
MINISFORUM MS-01 (Core i9-13900H)
Apple Mac Pro (M2 Ultra, 2023)
Dell Slim Desktop ECS1250
Valve Steam Machine (2026)
Beelink GTR9 Pro (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M4 Max, 2025)
GMKtec EVO-X2 (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M3 Ultra, 2025)
Change NVIDIA DGX Spark
Compare the Framework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB) with
MINISFORUM MS-S1 MAX (395, 128GB)
HP Z2 Mini G1a Workstation
MINISFORUM MS-A2 (Ryzen 9 9955HX, 64GB)
MINISFORUM MS-02 Ultra
MINISFORUM MS-01 (Core i9-13900H)
Apple Mac Pro (M2 Ultra, 2023)
Dell Slim Desktop ECS1250
Valve Steam Machine (2026)
Beelink GTR9 Pro (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M4 Max, 2025)
GMKtec EVO-X2 (395, 128GB)
Apple Mac Studio (M3 Ultra, 2025)62 of 152 fields differ
- 34 different values
- 28 known for one only
- 14 the same
- 76 missing for both
Biggest differences
Each bar uses the scale of all 76 desktop PCs.
- Power supplyA: 400WB: 240WFramework is 160 W higher.
- Rear USB portsA: 4B: 3Framework has 1 more.
- CPU coresA: 16B: 20NVIDIA has 4 more.
Size, drawn to scale
Front and side.
- AFramework: 96.8 × 226.1 mm
- BNVIDIA: 150 × 50.5 mm
Weight
0 to 25 kg
All 160 fields
Every value links to where we found it.


General
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Series
Model numbers
GTIN / EAN
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Launch price (US)
Launch price (EU)
€2,32915Press articleheise.de/-10295743Read 10 October 2026Launch coverage (Feb 2025): Ryzen AI Max+ 395 with 128 GB at EUR 2,329, with 64 GB at EUR 1,859 and the 32 GB Max 385 at EUR 1,279, all without SSD. The article does not say whether VAT is included or name a country.16Press articleitdaily.com/news/workplace/framework-desktop-amd-ryzen-maxRead 10 October 2026Lists the 128 GB Max+ 395 at EUR 2,329 and the box-only EUR 1,279 including VAT. VAT for the 128 GB price is not stated separately, but it comes from the same price list. Treated as the VAT-inclusive EU price. The USD launch price is 1999.
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Form factor
Case
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Case dimensions
Width96.8Height226.1Depth205.5mm(3.8 × 8.9 × 8.1 in)1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Specs, Case Dimensions: 96.8 x 205.5 x 226.1mm, with no axis labels. The maker top-cover drawing is 96.80 mm wide, and the maker product renders show an upright tower with a front panel three tiles wide and seven tall. Stored as width 96.8, depth 205.5, height 226.1 in that upright orientation.
Width150Height50.5Depth150mm(5.9 × 2 × 5.9 in)1Maker product pagenvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-sparkRead 10 October 2026150 mm L x 150 mm W x 50.5 mm H. Stored as width 150, depth 150 and height 50.5.
Case volume
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Weight
Case model
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Case materials
Aluminium, Plastic1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Specs, Materials: 50% post-consumer-recycled aluminum and 30% post-consumer-recycled plastic. The maker names no panel-level split.13Reviewtomshardware.com/desktops/gaming-pcs/framework-desktop-reviewRead 10 October 2026Design section: the side panels are plastic with some metal shielding inside and the top panel is entirely plastic. Fits the maker materials list of aluminum and plastic. The reviewed unit was the Max+ 395 with 64GB. No measured results from that unit are used.
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Side panel
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Front panel
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Tool-less side panel
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Dust filters
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VESA mount
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Display
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Screen size
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Native resolution
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Panel type
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Max refresh rate
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Touchscreen
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Brightness (SDR, claimed)
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Motherboard
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Motherboard
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Chipset
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Motherboard form factor
Mini-ITX1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Specs, Mainboard Dimensions: Mini-ITX.
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CPU socket
FP117Maker spec sheet (PDF)raw.githubusercontent.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Desktop/main/Mainboard/Mainboard_Interfaces_Schematic_Framework_Desktop_Ryzen_AI_Max.pdfRead 10 October 2026Diagram labels the APU as FP11 Strix Point Halo, 120W.8Maker product pageamd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-max-plus-395.htmlRead 10 October 2026CPU socket FP11.
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Expansion slots
AFramework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
| Mechanical slot type | Electrical lanes | PCIe generation | Count | Occupied |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| PCIe x4 | 4 | 4 | 1 | No |
| M.2 E-key | 1 | 4 | 1 | Yes |
BNVIDIA DGX Spark
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0
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Free expansion slots
1
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Fan headers
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Overclocking in BIOS
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Processor
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Processor
Processor brand
Processor codename
Core configuration
AFramework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
| Core type | Count | Core | Base clock (GHz) | Max core turbo clock (GHz) |
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| Performance | 16 | Zen 5 | 3 | 5.1 |
Source1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 20268Maker product pageamd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-max-plus-395.htmlRead 10 October 202616x Zen 5, base clock 3 GHz, max boost up to 5.1 GHz. AMD gives one core class, so a single performance row is stored.
BNVIDIA DGX Spark
| Core type | Count | Core | Max core turbo clock (GHz) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Performance | 10 | Arm Cortex-X925 | 4.004 |
| Efficiency | 10 | Arm Cortex-A725 | 2.86 |
Source1Maker product pagenvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-sparkRead 10 October 2026Specifications table: 20-core Arm, 10 Cortex-X925 + 10 Cortex-A725, in the NVIDIA GB10 Grace Blackwell Superchip. NVIDIA does not class the cores as performance or efficiency and publishes no clocks. The split follows ServeTheHome. Max clocks come from the SPEC CPU 2026 report.7Reviewservethehome.com/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-gb10-machine-is-so-freaking-coolRead 10 October 2026Page 3: ten Arm Cortex-X925 performance cores and ten Cortex-A725 efficient cores. NVIDIA does not class the cores as performance or efficiency. The split follows ServeTheHome and the SPEC CPU 2026 report. Max clocks come from the SPEC report.11Spec databasespec.org/cpu2026/results/res2026q2/cpu2026-20260210-00020.htmlRead 10 October 2026lscpu in the SPEC CPU 2026 report: CPU max MHz 4004 for the Cortex-X925 cores and 2860 for the Cortex-A725 cores, stored as 4.004 and 2.86 GHz. The report calls the CPU nominal 3900 MHz, and the BIOS name is GB10 Spark CPU @ 3.9GHz. NVIDIA publishes no core clocks. Base clocks are not stated, so none are stored. The report states 5 e-cores and 5 p-cores in each of two clusters, which matches the performance and efficiency split.
CPU cores
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20
Performance cores
16
10
Efficiency cores
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10
Threads
Max core turbo clock
5.1GHz
4.004GHz
L3 cache
CPU core process node
CPU base power (chip rating)
Peak CPU power (configured)
140W1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Processor power level: 120W sustained, 140W boost power, as configured by Framework. This is the maker setting, not AMD's 55 W default TDP.4Press releaseframe.work/blog/framework-desktop-deep-dive-ryzen-ai-maxRead 10 October 2026Deep dive dated 12 Mar 2025: the 6-heatpipe heatsink and 120mm fan allow the maximum sustained 120W with 140W boost.
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Unlocked multiplier
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NPU performance
50TOPS1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026NPU: 32 tiles, up to 50 TOPS. Precision is not stated.8Maker product pageamd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-max-plus-395.htmlRead 10 October 2026NPU TOPS up to 50.
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Cooling
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CPU cooler
CPU cooler model
Cooler Master 6-heatpipe heatsink, 120 mm fan sold separately1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 202612Owner's manualguides.frame.work/Guide/CPU+Fan/489Read 10 October 2026The Desktop supports a 120 mm CPU fan with a 4-pin connector. A fan mounting kit is needed for your own fan. The fan itself is a separate option in the DIY Edition.
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Radiator size
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Radiator position
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Case fans
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Number of case fans
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Graphics
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Discrete GPU
GPU
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GPU brand
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Graphics card
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VRAM
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VRAM type
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GPU board power
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GPU boost clock
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Graphics card length
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Graphics card thickness
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GPU power connector
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Memory
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RAM
RAM type
Configured RAM speed
8,000MT/s1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Memory Speed: 8000 MT/s on the 300 Series. The newer Ryzen AI Max PRO 495 column is 8533 MT/s and is not used.4Press releaseframe.work/blog/framework-desktop-deep-dive-ryzen-ai-maxRead 10 October 2026256-bit memory bus at 8000 MT/s, 256GB/s bandwidth, eight 32-bit LPDDR5x packages for 128GB. Soldered because LPCAMM2 was not feasible.
Rated kit speed
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Memory kit
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RAM upgrade
Soldered1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Memory is listed as soldered.2Press releaseframe.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-desktopRead 10 October 2026The post says the LPDDR5x is soldered and non-upgradeable because modular memory was not technically feasible at this bus width.
Memory slots
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RAM slots
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Free RAM slots
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Max RAM for this CPU and GPU
ECC memory
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Storage
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Storage
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4TB
Installed drives
AFramework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
Not availableBNVIDIA DGX Spark
| Capacity (GB) | Type | PCIe generation |
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| 4,000 | NVMe SSD | 5 |
Source1Maker product pagenvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-sparkRead 10 October 2026Specifications table: up to 4 TB NVMe M.2 with self-encryption. The datasheet and the reviewed Founders Edition list 4 TB, stored as 4000 GB decimal. The user guide also lists a 1 TB option. The PCIe generation comes from StorageReview. Drive model is not stated.15Reviewstoragereview.com/review/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-ai-appliance-bringing-datacenter-capabilities-to-desktopsRead 10 October 2026lstopo and the board photo: the SSD is a PCIe Gen5 2242 M.2 drive. The reviewed unit has a 4TB Samsung NVMe drive. The drive model is not stated.
Storage slots and bays
AFramework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
| Form factor | Interface | PCIe generation | PCIe lanes | Count | Occupied |
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| M.2 2280 | PCIe NVMe | 4 | 4 | 2 | No |
BNVIDIA DGX Spark
| Form factor | Interface | PCIe generation | PCIe lanes | Count | Occupied |
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| M.2 2242 | PCIe NVMe | 5 | 4 | 1 | Yes |
Source8Reviewtomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-dgx-spark-reviewRead 10 October 2026Hardware section: a removable rubber foot hides the wireless antennas and gives access to the user-replaceable M.2 2242 SSD. The reviewed Founders Edition came with a 4 TB drive. One slot, occupied. PCIe generation and lanes come from StorageReview.15Reviewstoragereview.com/review/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-ai-appliance-bringing-datacenter-capabilities-to-desktopsRead 10 October 2026lstopo: the 2242 M.2 SSD connects with PCIe Gen5 x4.
M.2 slots
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Free M.2 slots
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Free drive bays
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Fastest storage-slot PCIe generation
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Power supply
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PSU rated output
400W1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Power Supply: FlexATX, 400W, ATX 3.0 power interface, 150.0 x 81.5 x 40.5mm.5Press releaseframe.work/blog/framework-desktop-deep-dive-power-supplyRead 10 October 2026Deep dive dated 21 May 2025: semi-custom 400W power supply built with FSP.
PSU form factor
PSU efficiency
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Modular cables
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PSU model
Framework 400 W FlexATX power supply (semi-custom, made by FSP)5Press releaseframe.work/blog/framework-desktop-deep-dive-power-supplyRead 10 October 2026Built with FSP from a higher-wattage off-the-shelf unit downrated to 400W, with a Delta 40 mm fan. No retail model name is given.
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Native 12V-2x6 cable
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Ports
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User-facing I/O position
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User-facing ports
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Rear ports
AFramework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395, 128GB)
| Type | Version | Count | Max stated link rate (Gbps) | Thunderbolt or USB4 | DP Alt Mode | Connected to |
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| HDMI | 2.1 | 1 | Not available | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| DisplayPort | 2.1 UHBR10 | 2 | Not available | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| USB-C | USB4 | 2 | 40 | USB4 | Yes | Motherboard |
| Ethernet (RJ45) | Not available | 1 | 5 | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| USB-A | USB 3.2 Gen 2 | 2 | 10 | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| 3.5 mm audio | Combo headphone and microphone jack | 1 | Not available | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
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| Type | Version | Count | Max stated link rate (Gbps) | Power out (W) | DP Alt Mode | Connected to |
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| USB-C | USB 20Gbps | 3 | 20 | 15 | Yes | Motherboard |
| DC in | USB Type-C power input (USB PD), 240 W adapter | 1 | Not available | Not available | Not available | Not available |
| HDMI | 2.1a | 1 | Not available | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| Ethernet (RJ45) | 10GbE | 1 | 10 | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
| Other | QSFP56 (NVIDIA ConnectX-7) | 2 | 200 | Not available | Not available | Motherboard |
Source2Owner's manualdocs.nvidia.com/dgx/dgx-spark/hardware.htmlRead 10 October 2026Rear Panel: power button, 4x USB Type-C (one for power delivery), 1x HDMI 2.1a, 1x RJ-45 (10 GbE) and 2x QSFP (ConnectX-7). The power-delivery USB-C is stored as the power input and the other three as data ports. QSFP is stored as other. 200 Gbps is the maker NIC rating. ServeTheHome measured about 96 Gbps of combined traffic because the NIC uses a PCIe Gen5 x4 link.7Reviewservethehome.com/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-gb10-machine-is-so-freaking-coolRead 10 October 2026Page 1: USB Type-C power input, then three USB 3 20Gbps Type-C ports with DisplayPort alt mode, HDMI, Realtek 10GbE and two ConnectX-7 QSFP56 ports.12Owner's manualdocs.nvidia.com/dgx/dgx-spark/compliance.htmlRead 10 October 2026USB-C Ports Rating: each USB-C port can be loaded at 5V/3A, so 15 W per port. The total output power of the USB-C ports is limited to 30 W. Stored on the three data ports.
User-facing USB ports
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User-facing USB-C ports
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Rear USB ports
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Thunderbolt
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Ethernet speed
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Discrete GPU output ports
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Wireless
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Wi-Fi
Wi-Fi bands
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Wi-Fi module
AMD RZ717 Wi-Fi 71Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026
Wi-Fi antenna
Internal10Reviewservethehome.com/framework-desktop-reviewRead 10 October 2026Page 3 shows the RZ717 Wi-Fi 7 module on the board and the Framework antenna guide shows internal antenna modules. No external antennas are included.11Owner's manualguides.frame.work/Guide/Antenna+Module/488Read 10 October 2026Replacement guide for the left and right antenna modules inside the chassis. No external antenna is part of the product.
Internal7Reviewservethehome.com/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-gb10-machine-is-so-freaking-coolRead 10 October 2026Tom's Hardware places the wireless antennas under the removable bottom foot, so they are internal.8Reviewtomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-dgx-spark-reviewRead 10 October 2026Wireless antennas sit under the removable bottom foot. No external antenna is supplied.
Bluetooth
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Ethernet controller
Camera and audio
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Webcam
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Built-in speaker drivers
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Total speaker power
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Microphones
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Audio features
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Lighting
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RGB lighting
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Lit parts
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Lighting standard
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Lighting software
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Software
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Operating system
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Upgradeability
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Proprietary parts
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Max graphics card length
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Max CPU cooler height
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Measured performance
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Cinebench 2024 single-core
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Cinebench 2024 multi-core
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Geekbench single-core
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Geekbench multi-core
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3DMark Time Spy graphics
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3DMark Steel Nomad
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SSD sequential read (measured)
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Game frame rates
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Measured noise and temperature
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Fan noise per load
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Highest measured fan noise
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CPU temperature in stress test
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CPU clock in stress test
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GPU temperature while gaming
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Measured power
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Power draw gaming
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Power draw max
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Power draw sleep or off
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GPU power while gaming (measured)
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Certifications
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ENERGY STAR
Yes1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Sustainability list includes Energy Star 9.0 certification. The ENERGY STAR record for model FRAMPA0000 confirms it.9Certification listdata.energystar.gov/resource/rxdj-2c88.jsonRead 10 October 2026Certified 2025-05-28 for the United States and other markets.
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EPEAT
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Copilot+ PC
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Typical annual energy consumption (TEC)
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Other certifications
80 Plus Gold (110V) and 80 Plus Silver (230V) certifications for the Power Supply1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Verbatim from the Sustainability list. The Gold and Silver tiers apply at different line voltages, so psu_efficiency is left empty.
cULus Listed I.T.E. E317539, FCC Part 15 Class B, ISED (Canada), CE (Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU, RoHS 2011/65/EU, ErP 2009/125/EC), UKCA, RCM (Australia and New Zealand), VCCI Class B, BSMI (CNS 13438 Class B), KC (South Korea), CCC and SRRC (China)12Owner's manualdocs.nvidia.com/dgx/dgx-spark/compliance.htmlRead 10 October 2026Regulatory Compliance Information for Model P4242. Marks as listed by NVIDIA: cULus Listed I.T.E. E317539, FCC Part 15 Class B, ISED, CE (RED, RoHS, ErP), UKCA, RCM, VCCI Class B, BSMI, KC, CCC and SRRC. The page lists no ENERGY STAR or EPEAT.
In the box
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In the box
Framework Desktop DIY Edition chassis with pre-installed Mainboard, heatsink, power supply, top panel and front panel, Left panel (black or translucent), CPU fan mounting kit, Front panel tiles (at least 21), Framework Desktop Screwdriver6Owner's manualguides.frame.work/Guide/Framework+Desktop+DIY+Edition+Quick+Start+Guide/464Read 10 October 2026Step 1: chassis with pre-installed Mainboard, heatsink, power supply, top panel and front panel, a left panel (black or translucent), the screwdriver and at least 21 tiles. Step 2: AC cable, fan and mounting kit, expansion cards and storage are optional purchases. The spec page also lists a CPU fan mounting kit.
Included extras
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Warranty
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Manufacturer warranty (source market)
1year1Maker product pageframe.work/desktopRead 10 October 2026Specs, Warranty (checked on the US page 2026-10-10): 1-year Framework Limited Warranty, with an optional 3-year warranty. The EU and UK pages of the same spec table show 2 years (3 years for Spain). Stored 1 for the US reference market, which matches the US launch price. The earlier value of 2 was the EU and UK term.14Maker product pageframe.work/warrantyRead 10 October 2026Warranty period: one (1) year from the date of delivery unless the order confirmation or invoice says otherwise. The page lists no separate EU or UK term.
Links
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Spec sheet
Manual
EPREL registration number
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